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General DiscussionAny Invoker tips.

I’m kind of new to invoker, so does any one have any tips on how to play this funny looking wizard? I have a couple questions regarding the hero. Is midas a MUST in every game? (If not, which types of game do I not get it?) Is refresher a “requirement” in every single game? And lastly, is getting lv.3 necro a stupid idea?
EDIT: How do I play against heroes like doom, silencer, disruptor, etc… ?

1. Midas is not a MUST ever, but it is definitely an AMAZING item on Invoker because of the godly experience advantage it gives you (always use it on big creeps). Get it when you can get it early enough (if it takes you more than 11 minutes, it’s way too late to get one, your goal is under 6 minutes but it’s not too bad until 10). Make sure you buy the whole thing in one shot because if you buy the glove of haste and then can’t get the recipe, you just wasted 500g. Same vice versa. Dota 2 yaj togloh ve

2. Refresher is for people who have memorized his skills so well that they can go through his whole combo twice with the refresher. Not recommended for new Invokers.

3. Yes, there are 10x better items you can get on Invoker.

4. Position yourself in a way that their ultis won’t be an issue for you, get BKB for Silencer and Disruptor and get Linken’s for Doom.

seperate control groups for minions

Midas is nice on Invoker, but the indirect nerf in 6.79 makes it less appealing. Midas can quickly boost Invoker’s level in early-mid game so he can start dominating in late game. However, midas makes him and his team more vulnerable. As long as you don’t get punished heavily for going midas, then do it around 6th minute. 99.9% invoker should not get refresher orb. Necronomicon 3 is good for invoker with 4-1-4 skill build. Do not build it every game. It works great against windwalkers and strong dps heroes like Ursa, Troll, TA, etc.

I ussualy go phase first then midas (8-10min midas) , the most common scenario if you pick invoker , someone will pick pudge.
In that case id recommend going q w build , it is hard to last hit untill you have phase , as my start items in this scenario i get tango , boots , clarity, by skilling first w you will have +-330 move speed which will give you more survive ability.
Yet i do not stay in q w build for to long at once i have 3q 3w 2ult i put everything in exort.
But there are amazingly lots of build for invoker.
I have played alot of games even without aganims , i do not know why but i very commonly get linkens, this because you can save team mates with it and survive when needed urself.
Refresher is only purhased in very few games , where i pubstump so hard that i can just do my combos and kill like 3 ppl at once.
And about silencer , doom , disrupt , linkens really helps against most played heroes
but for heroes like disruptor and silencer a fast bkb is a best choise

i think exhort stomps pudge pretty bad, no need to go QW. Most pudge players are stupid, just keep harassing him with your superior damage when he comes in for creep kills and when he over extends you can cold snap him with minion and do even more damage. Then just go and deny his rune (guess one way and minion to other) and its a pretty easy lane. As you are a range hero if you know how to mid properly you can almost always hold the lane towards your cliff so even a hook would never kill you at lower levels. If the creep wave is at his cliff you can just send your minion up there to scout so you dont get hooked.

TLDR learn to use your minions well.

@Urgromim
Thanks for the guide. I’ve read it many times and have seen all of your “raging fury” videos. You’re the reason I started playing invoker!

When i play pudge against an exort invoker , i can easly kill him at lvl 1

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Against pudge, start with quas, snap asap, then forge spirit asap. Exort invoker should harass minimally at level one in most scenarios. One small gank and you are dead. Even without a gank, you can’t kill the last creep (near pudge’s tower) if pudge’s wave is moving forward. 280 ms on invoker is so ridiculous.

How does a invoker die to a pudge at lvl 1 ? you can always be on your own cliff if you know how to mid properly against a melee hero. Just hit him to agro creeps and manipulate the wave. Unless you pick up a haste rune as the first or second rune i cant imagine dying to a pudge at earlier levels. Only situation is if im looking out for a sunstrike in another lane and get hooked while im not paying attention and also have my invoke on CD due to sunstrike.

Make sure to pick up your boots kind of early too – i tend to go for tranquil boots on 99% of my games (personal preference). Invoker is just so slow that tranquil boots gives more movespeed even when broken than all the other boots.

pudge is pretty easy mu for invo idk what u all talking about. u can even start with boots if u want u dominate him anywa

@DesideRium
never go tranquil boots on Invoker. 475 gold for 15 MS and 4 armor is a horrible investment. Tranquil is only for roamers.

Please don’t start by memorizing and practice any combos. Make sure you spend time getting to know each spell, especially how they work, and when they work best. Then you can practice invoking the most relevant spell according to current situation. Master one spell at a time, even though you won’t unleash Invoker’s full potential during that time. When you have almost done that, any 2 spells you cast together in game will be a quite effective combo. Then you can start practicing complex combos like tornado + meteor + deafening blast or tornado + EMP + meteor + deafening blast (with Aghanim’s Scepter).

The simplest combo for new invoker players is forge spirit + cold snap. I recommend you follow @Urgromim ‘s 414 build. It can get you started quickly with least knowledge of Invoker’s other spellls.

Invoker is relatively universally suited hero, but it’s very hard to play Invoker against heavy ganking lineups , since Invoker need to dominate at least one lane to get level advantage in order to make impact, beware of that before you pick him.

The last tip I wanna mention is that though Invoker has the highest damage dealing combos in the game, a BKB will make all your magic spells irrelevant. Luckily enough because of wex and exort orbs and Alacrity, Invoker has decent late game physical damage dealing ability. Make sure you prepare to change your tactics and item builds into physical right-clicker when you see multiple BKBs on your opponents.

General DiscussionAny Invoker tips.

I’m kind of new to invoker, so does any one have any tips on how to play this funny looking wizard? I have a couple questions regarding the hero. Is midas a MUST in every game? (If not, which types of game do I not get it?) Is refresher a “requirement” in every single game? And lastly, is getting lv.3 necro a stupid idea?
EDIT: How do I play against heroes like doom, silencer, disruptor, etc… ?

1. Midas is not a MUST ever, but it is definitely an AMAZING item on Invoker because of the godly experience advantage it gives you (always use it on big creeps). Get it when you can get it early enough (if it takes you more than 11 minutes, it’s way too late to get one, your goal is under 6 minutes but it’s not too bad until 10). Make sure you buy the whole thing in one shot because if you buy the glove of haste and then can’t get the recipe, you just wasted 500g. Same vice versa. Dota 2 yaj togloh ve

2. Refresher is for people who have memorized his skills so well that they can go through his whole combo twice with the refresher. Not recommended for new Invokers.

3. Yes, there are 10x better items you can get on Invoker.

4. Position yourself in a way that their ultis won’t be an issue for you, get BKB for Silencer and Disruptor and get Linken’s for Doom.

seperate control groups for minions

Midas is nice on Invoker, but the indirect nerf in 6.79 makes it less appealing. Midas can quickly boost Invoker’s level in early-mid game so he can start dominating in late game. However, midas makes him and his team more vulnerable. As long as you don’t get punished heavily for going midas, then do it around 6th minute. 99.9% invoker should not get refresher orb. Necronomicon 3 is good for invoker with 4-1-4 skill build. Do not build it every game. It works great against windwalkers and strong dps heroes like Ursa, Troll, TA, etc.

I ussualy go phase first then midas (8-10min midas) , the most common scenario if you pick invoker , someone will pick pudge.
In that case id recommend going q w build , it is hard to last hit untill you have phase , as my start items in this scenario i get tango , boots , clarity, by skilling first w you will have +-330 move speed which will give you more survive ability.
Yet i do not stay in q w build for to long at once i have 3q 3w 2ult i put everything in exort.
But there are amazingly lots of build for invoker.
I have played alot of games even without aganims , i do not know why but i very commonly get linkens, this because you can save team mates with it and survive when needed urself.
Refresher is only purhased in very few games , where i pubstump so hard that i can just do my combos and kill like 3 ppl at once.
And about silencer , doom , disrupt , linkens really helps against most played heroes
but for heroes like disruptor and silencer a fast bkb is a best choise

i think exhort stomps pudge pretty bad, no need to go QW. Most pudge players are stupid, just keep harassing him with your superior damage when he comes in for creep kills and when he over extends you can cold snap him with minion and do even more damage. Then just go and deny his rune (guess one way and minion to other) and its a pretty easy lane. As you are a range hero if you know how to mid properly you can almost always hold the lane towards your cliff so even a hook would never kill you at lower levels. If the creep wave is at his cliff you can just send your minion up there to scout so you dont get hooked.

TLDR learn to use your minions well.

@Urgromim
Thanks for the guide. I’ve read it many times and have seen all of your “raging fury” videos. You’re the reason I started playing invoker!

When i play pudge against an exort invoker , i can easly kill him at lvl 1

^
Against pudge, start with quas, snap asap, then forge spirit asap. Exort invoker should harass minimally at level one in most scenarios. One small gank and you are dead. Even without a gank, you can’t kill the last creep (near pudge’s tower) if pudge’s wave is moving forward. 280 ms on invoker is so ridiculous.

How does a invoker die to a pudge at lvl 1 ? you can always be on your own cliff if you know how to mid properly against a melee hero. Just hit him to agro creeps and manipulate the wave. Unless you pick up a haste rune as the first or second rune i cant imagine dying to a pudge at earlier levels. Only situation is if im looking out for a sunstrike in another lane and get hooked while im not paying attention and also have my invoke on CD due to sunstrike.

Make sure to pick up your boots kind of early too – i tend to go for tranquil boots on 99% of my games (personal preference). Invoker is just so slow that tranquil boots gives more movespeed even when broken than all the other boots.

pudge is pretty easy mu for invo idk what u all talking about. u can even start with boots if u want u dominate him anywa

@DesideRium
never go tranquil boots on Invoker. 475 gold for 15 MS and 4 armor is a horrible investment. Tranquil is only for roamers.

Please don’t start by memorizing and practice any combos. Make sure you spend time getting to know each spell, especially how they work, and when they work best. Then you can practice invoking the most relevant spell according to current situation. Master one spell at a time, even though you won’t unleash Invoker’s full potential during that time. When you have almost done that, any 2 spells you cast together in game will be a quite effective combo. Then you can start practicing complex combos like tornado + meteor + deafening blast or tornado + EMP + meteor + deafening blast (with Aghanim’s Scepter).

The simplest combo for new invoker players is forge spirit + cold snap. I recommend you follow @Urgromim ‘s 414 build. It can get you started quickly with least knowledge of Invoker’s other spellls.

Invoker is relatively universally suited hero, but it’s very hard to play Invoker against heavy ganking lineups , since Invoker need to dominate at least one lane to get level advantage in order to make impact, beware of that before you pick him.

The last tip I wanna mention is that though Invoker has the highest damage dealing combos in the game, a BKB will make all your magic spells irrelevant. Luckily enough because of wex and exort orbs and Alacrity, Invoker has decent late game physical damage dealing ability. Make sure you prepare to change your tactics and item builds into physical right-clicker when you see multiple BKBs on your opponents.